Sorry Pope Francis, But Doctrine Matters

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The religious world has been buzzing after Pope Francis appealed to the Pentecostal conference for unity among believers. For some, Pope Francis' words are exactly what they have been longing for. And no wonder! Ever since the early days of the reformation the followers of Jesus have been fragmented into ever increasing splinters. Lutherans, Calvinists, Anabaptist's, Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Adventists and the list goes on and on. As a matter of fact, these denominations represent only some of the larger bodies. But the reality is that Christianity is broken into thousands of smaller components resulting in a plethora of beliefs all claiming allegiance to the Bible. For many years Christians have been clamoring for unity in Christ and decrying the walls that separate Protestants from Protestants and Protestants from Catholics. It is with no wonder then that Pope Francis' humble appeal for unity is received with enthusiasm and joy by many.

In his video to the Pentecostal Conference Pope Francis' used an illustration to clarify his appeal. He said:
That the Holy Scripture speaks of when Joseph's Brothers began to starve from hunger, they went to Egypt, to buy, so that they could eat. They went to buy. They had money. But they couldn't eat the money. But there they found something more than food, they found their brother. All of us have currency. The currency of our culture. The currency of our history. We have a lot of cultural riches, and religious riches. And we have diverse traditions. But we have to encounter one another as Brothers. We must cry together like Joseph did. These tears will unite us. The tears of love.
I don't actually disagree with Pope Francis on this. I think it is absolutely imperative that Christians treat one another as brothers and sisters, with love, respect, and appreciation regardless of our theological differences. I agree with Pope Francis when he says, "[a]ll of us have currency. The currency of our culture. The currency of our history. We have a lot of cultural riches, and religious riches. And we have diverse traditions. But we have to encounter one another as Brothers." However, here is where I draw the line: Does Pope Francis define doctrine as currency? 

He doesn't actually say so in this video and I refuse to put words in his mouth. However, he does come awfully close when he speaks of all of us having "religious riches." As a Seventh-day Adventist the greatest religious treasure that I have is our doctrine, or (as I prefer to put it), our God-story. While I am all for more unity, respect, compassion, and love among believers of different denominations I cannot sacrifice Adventisms God-story for the sake of unity. It is just way to beautiful to compromise on.

Some may be wondering what I mean by that so here are some examples. Am I meant to sacrifice the beautiful message of the Sabbath, which celebrates Gods creation, redemption, and restoration of humanity, in order to be united with those who don't value the Sabbath? Am I to sacrifice the truth about Hell which shows us that God is not a sadist or torturer but is instead a loving and just Judge, for the sake of unity? Am I to surrender the gift of Prophecy, as seen in the life of Ellen G. White, and replace her with pagan philosophers like Plato and Aristotle whose works set the foundation for much of Catholic and Evangelical theology? I am all for unity, but not at such an expense. 

But why is the God-story of Adventism so important to me? Two reasons. First of all, suppose you are married and your spouse is accused of committing a crime. Everyone in your family is out to get him/her and only you know the truth bout your spouse. But to stand up for your spouse means that your will not be united with your family. What do you do? Do you tell the truth about your spouse? Or do you embrace the lies for the sake of unity? I don't know about you, but I choose the former.

Likewise, much of what is believed and taught about God is a lie. Am I supposed to embrace those lies so I can be united with those who believe them? Or am I supposed to stand up for the truth about God and tell others what he is really like? I don't know about you, but I chose the latter. I believe Adventisms God-story is the most accurate and beautiful picture of God from any other theological system around. And I will tell that story even if it means division.

The second reason why I believe the God-story of Adventism is so important is because your God-story ultimately determines your ability to love. We become what we behold. And if our God-story muddles the love of God you will be constantly beholding a muddled picture of God which will result in a muddled concept of love. While I can appeal to the long history of Christianity for this, allow me instead to give you a few examples from my life and my own denomination that evidence this.

As a Seventh-day Adventist I have encountered many people who get it and many people who think they get it. By "it" I am referring to the truth. Those who get it are always balanced, loving, tender, and compassionate. They care about others and give of themselves unreservedly. But there are others who think they get it. These are often imbalanced, unloving, rigid, and more concerned with the "standards" than they are with souls. This group is often characterized by conspiracy theorizing, criticism, and legalism. But what is the difference between these two groups? Aren't they both Adventist? Yes. But they have a totally different picture of God. The former group is passionate about the gospel. They speak much of the love of Jesus, his tender mercy, his compassion, and his grace. They recognize their own daily need for mercy and forgiveness. They see God as caring, interested, and empathetic. They see him as an intimate friend in whom they can place all of their trust. The find rest in him and their hearts and minds are always filled with Jesus. Though far from perfect they always aim to be more like Jesus and reflect his perfect love for humanity. This is their picture of God and the more they behold it the more like him they become: kind, warmhearted, and merciful. 

The latter group is passionate about the rules, the standards, and the law. They speak much of the sins of the church and how bad it is. They criticize church leadership as much as they change their underwear and they are fascinated with the negative, the pessimistic, and the controversial. They see God as strict, unbending, and rigid. They see him as one who demands holiness or else, and one whom is pleased with harsh obedience. They believe they must be sinlessly perfect in order to go to heaven and as such, they strive against sin and are always ready and eager to rebuke another. This is their picture of God and the more they behold it, faulty as it may be, the more like it they become: mean, critical, and unmerciful.

The same is true outside of Adventism. It has been in the past and will be in the future. All those who have the wrong picture of God will, in his name, and as the believers of old, justify all kinds of sin and atrocities in the name of Jesus. It was his picture of God that led Saul of Tarsus to persecute and murder Christians. It was their picture of God that led the medieval Christians to do likewise. It was a wrong picture of God that justified the Crusades and the Inquisition. It was a wrong picture of God that justified the Protestants as they drowned Anabaptists for no other reason than denying infant baptism. And it will be a wrong picture of God, a faulty God-story, a twisted doctrine, that will justify persecution again in the future.

It is because of this that I must say: Sorry Pope Francis, but doctrine does matter. It simply is not possible to love like Jesus if you have a broken doctrine. While you and many others may be an exception such is not the rule. Generally speaking the masses treat each other in a way that is consistent with their view of who God is and what he is like - a view they derive entirely from their doctrine. I know you never actually spoke of doctrine but you came awfully close. I also know that there are doctrines you yourself would never deny for the sake of unity. I cannot see you denying apostolic succession, Sunday sacredness, or transubstantiation for the sake of unity. Neither can I deny my faith as a Seventh-day Adventist for its sake. The Pentecostals may have accepted your call and many others may follow. But I must lovingly and humbly decline for I can never compromise the truth about who God is for the sake of unity.

Truth matters. Doctrine matters. The God-story matters. Not only must I tell the truth about who God is and what he is like, but doctrine is the brush that paints the picture of God. Use a bad brush, you get a bad picture like the one that says God will torture sinners in Hell throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. Use a good brush and you will get a good picture like the one that says that while God is just and will punish the wicked he will not needlessly torture them for endless ages. Use a bad brush, you get a bad picture like the one that says that salvation comes by way of works. Use a good brush, you get a good picture like the one that says we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Doctrine is also the brush we use to indirectly paint our characters. Use a bad brush you get a bad character. Use a good brush you get a good character; one that strives to love like Jesus no matter the cost.

In conclusion, the popular concept of "let's just love another and forget about doctrine" may sound good on the surface, but the reality is: It is a self contradicting mindset. Doctrine and love cannot be polarized for they are intimately related and for that, dear Pope, I cannot and will not compromise.




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Pope Francis' Message to the Pentecostal Conference


Note: It needs to be made clear that Pope Francis did not call for either compromise nor uniformity and neither did he call for unity in doctrine but for unity in love. Nevertheless, for Catholics and Protestants to move past their divisions, which are rooted in severe doctrinal variances, some level of doctrinal minimization will be necessary. It is to this unavoidable consequence that I respond with concern.
Sorry Pope Francis, But Doctrine Matters Sorry Pope Francis, But Doctrine Matters Reviewed by Pastor Marcos on March 05, 2014 Rating: 5

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  1. I find your comment very balanced and Biblically sound. I agree with you! I cannot give up Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life for unity in a christ that is defined and painted by mortal man.

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    1. Great comment Tom! I love the way you summarized it. Although Pope Francis never mentioned doctrine per se, it is clear that the diminution of doctrine is where this is all headed. A recent video by Bishop Tony Palmer, the Bishop present at the Pentecostal Conference who served as a type of bridge between the Pope and the Pentecostals recently released a video about the unity of Protestants and Catholics in which he clearly diminished the importance of doctrine for the sake of unity. You can see the video here:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhgkxV_MYn0

      Blessings!

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  2. Marcos,
    God's Word IS that truth Christians holds so precious. ALL of what comes forth from the mouth of God is to be obeyed. So what do we do when God COMMANDS unity of His believers? How do we reconcile Christ's commands of unity and that there be NO divisions among us as well as the Ten Commandments?

    We cannot ignore the command for unity because we have differing interpretations of other commandments, specifically the sabbath. We cannot toss out the command to be unified as irrelevant. All must be obeyed and that seems impossible.

    Think about the faith journey of Abraham. He was told to go sacrifice His SON. That was clearly what pagans did. Never had God ever asked such a thing. Did God ASK Abraham to do evil? Yeah… it sure looked that way. One of the most touching moments of the Bible, the most heartbreaking is the words from Abraham's mouth to his son Isaac when the boy asked about the sacrifice. Abraham looked at his beloved and promised son and replied in faith, "God will provide the sacrifice." And they kept on walking…. Abraham did not understand both the approximate and eternal miracle of those prophetic words. God provided a sacrifice then as a miraculous end to a terrifying journey of faith for Abraham. But the words were also a prophesy of a coming Messiah. God also provided for Israel a lamb, THE Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. This was just as unexpected as the angel's hand staying Abraham from slaying his son. Amazing things occur when we follow God's commandments. ALL of them. Even when you don't understand.

    What the pope is doing is walking in Abraham's faith that if he takes a step towards unity with the full body of Christians, that GOD will supply the sacrifice. The truth WILL not be the sacrifice, for the TRUTH is what Christ came to reveal. But the sacrifice may LOOK like the truth as we walk, just as it looked like it would be Isaac. This is a test of our obedience. Are we willing to follow Christ's commands for unity even when it LOOKS as if we will be sacrificing truth?

    Walk in faith. Walk in obedience and know that God has it in control. No one…. No one who calls Himself a Christian and truly follows Christ will ever be forced to sacrifice truth. Sometimes we walk in faith and a miracle occurs. THAT is what the pope is doing. God will provide the sacrifice… He will protect His truth. The sacrifice just might end up being be our pride and our fear and our elitism. Be prepared to sacrifice those to God.

    Christ told His apostles right before laying down His life for our sins:

    "Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name...so that they may be one as we are one...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: John 17: 11, 21, 22

    Our Christian unity shows the WORLD that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the Living God! Our divisions actually do a disservice to our Lord and our witness. Let us have the courage to walk in obedience with utter faith that our obedience will not sacrifice truth.

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    1. Hello Arthur,

      So good to hear from you! It’s always a pleasure to dialogue with you and Teresa. We haven’t spoken in a while so please, give her a big hug for me.

      Since you and I are both faithful to our differing worldviews I’ll approach my response, not as an argument against your statement, but as an addition to the conversation. I don’t see much value in a debate since we both are pretty rooted where we are, but I do see value in sharing my story while appreciating the beauty of your story.

      In my faith journey I have encountered a concept that is, in my opinion, indispensable to a proper understanding of the God-story of scripture. I call it the “right-relationship principle”. Allow me to explain: Every truth in scripture is by nature paradoxical. What that means is that every truth has two opposing poles that, on the surface, appear to contradict each other. Grace and law. Mercy and justice. Predestination and free will. Leadership and servanthood. Gods omniscience and his investigations. Jesus divinity and his humanity. And the list goes on and on. Most Christians tend to emphasize one pole over the other pole. For example, in conservative Adventist circles it is common to see the law emphasized above grace. The two poles may be affirmed, but because one is emphasized over the other there is no real balance. The result is legalism even though grace is never denied. In order to arrive at truth then, the two poles need to be in equal tension one with the other. Elevating one at the expense of the other is a violation of the paradox and results in the distorment of the truth. Those who elevate law above grace may not deny grace but they subordinate it to law which results in legalism. Those who elevate grace above law may not deny law but they subordinate it to grace which results in licentiousness. In order for grace to be properly understood it must be in a “right relationship” with law, and vice versa.

      This has always been the problem with the Augustinian view of predestination which the protestants unanimously affirmed up until Jacobus Arminius. While there are many texts in scripture that clearly teach a type of predestination there are also many others that teach free will. Truth is arrived when both of those poles are in a proper relationship with each other. Place one above the other and we end up at either absolute predestination (which robs God of his sovereignty) or we end up at absolute predestination (which robs God of his justice). Both are a violation of the paradox. Both are a violation of the relationship. Thus both are a violation of the truth.

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    2. It is with this understanding that I approach the issue of unity in scripture. While unity is indispensable to the gospel it cannot be elevated at the expense of truth. That is a violation of the relationship. Unity and doctrine are two poles that at first appear to contradict one another. How can we be unified in truth when we all see it differently? As a result most Christians subordinate one to the other. Those who subordinate unity to doctrine cause division everywhere they go. They often think they are the only ones with the truth and tend to be “lone rangers” for God. Those who subordinate doctrine to unity go the opposite direction. They don’t see doctrine as terribly important and care little for it. All they want is unity and doctrine can, in their eyes, wait until we get to heaven. However, this goes against the message of the New Testament. Not only did Jesus pray for unity, he also said, “Sanctify them by your truth. Your word is truth” And while Jesus spoke much of unity he also spoke much of sound doctrine and repeatedly warned of false doctrine, false teachers, and deceptions that were going to creep into the church and lead people astray. These falsehoods were going to divide the church and the division would not be fully healed until the second coming were Jesus separates the sheep from the goats. So while I am all for unity, I cannot subordinate doctrine to unity. Both must be in equal tension. We must pursue unity only as far as the God-story of scripture is not damaged.

      While unity reveals that we are Christs disciples it is not true that that is the only thing that reveals that we are Gods. 1 John 3:10 says that “This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.” 1 John 2: 3-6 says, “We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.” Thus, love, living like Jesus, and right doing are all as important to witness as is unity. Any unity that causes one to compromise on any of those principles is not truly as glorying to God as we may think it to be and will result in a bad witness.

      Ultimately we must also remember, that witnessing is not simply a human responsibility. Jesus witnesses of himself also. Here we see another paradox. Our witness and Jesus witness. We cannot subordinate Jesus witness to our witness as though evangelism rested solely on our witness. And we cannot subordinate our witness to Jesus’ witness as though Jesus’ witness were enough (which results in the church sitting back and doing nothing). Once again, the truth must be held in tension. When it is we discover that we must witness just as much as Jesus’ witnesses but our witness is only as effective as it agrees with Jesus’ self-witness. And Jesus self-witness is revealed primarily in the story he tells about himself in the Bible. The God-story. Doctrine.

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    3. So as I mentioned at the beginning, I dont say these things to argue but simply to show the understanding I have of the tension between unity and truth. But even if we dont agree there is one truth the Bible paints unequivocally, that we must, in all things, love one another as Jesus loves us.

      With that said, I send you my love.

      Blessings,
      Marcos

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  3. Marcos,
    This is Teresa (It's easier to just stay signed in as Arthur)

    I think we absolutely agree about never compromising truths. Your comments (except for one point) would completely reflect the Catholic position on the tensions between seeming contradictory Biblical themes.

    The point I would disagree with is that we have to wait for the second coming for Christian unity. Christ would not command something that was unachievable in Him. (Perhaps it looks completely impossible for us… but with God ALL things are possible.) Christ would not have stressed that the world would KNOW He was the son of God BECAUSE of our unity if it wasn't going to happen or if it were impossible to happen. Unity is a command we must obey, even if we don't know HOW to achieve it and keep truth intact.

    Christians are not "understanders". We are BELIEVERS. That means we don't always understand first and then believe. We have the obedience of faith that says, "Even if I don't fully get it… I will walk because I believe you."

    So how do we achieve full obedience to Christ when He commanded BOTH worship in unity and truth? Well, I think we could do it on several points. First we need to put away our suspicions of each other. We need to put down our swords towards other Christians and listen to each other with our hearts. Those who attend church on Sunday are not doing it as a rebellion against the Ten Commandments NOR are they worshipping on Sunday because they have never READ the Ten Commandments. Those who attend church on Sunday ARE obeying God. They have a different interpretation of what "Remember the Sabbath day" MEANS…. We are not deceived, we are not rebellious, we simply understand this commandment differently. Adventists need to really believe we are sincere in our interpretation of the sabbath commandment EVEN if they disagree.

    Right now, if we could just sit and talk and listen with the understanding that Christians truly should love one another and be united… talking is a first step towards unity that would NOT compromise truth. We should never fear discussions in love and respect.

    Where we CAN work together, where our beliefs do coincide we can work for Christ. In charities, in civic organizations. Often times Adventists will create their own organizations rather than do the exact same thing with other Christian organizations. I remember when Promise Keepers was popular and the GC created "AMEN" as an alternate Adventists male group that did the same thing. The SDAs made up their own marriage encounters. Adventists should join other charitable organizations where there would be no compromise with truth. I know they do to a point, but there are a lot of Adventists who won't.

    For twenty years I tried to get pro-life Adventists to join in pro-life charities but they wouldn't for fear of joining the "beast." They wouldn't give money or time or even prayer support for Catholic pregnancy centers or Protestant Pro-Life Rallies or walks, etc. They would ONLY support SDA pro-life activities. This is a place where they could unify without compromising their doctrines.

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  4. Christians can take steps in obedience of faith so that we can unify in Spirit which may then help us to unify in TRUTH.

    Isn't it possible that Christ could be waiting for us to walk out in faith towards each other--step OUT OF THE BOAT into the raging waters….and HE will then provide the miracle of unity in Truth! I truly think this is what Christ is doing. Asking us to take the scary steps of coming together and listening and unifying where we CAN unify and having the faith in HIM that Truth will be the powerful fruits of such obedience to faith. God would NEVER ask us to do one and compromise the other. He would never set us up with an either/or but miracles DO happen when we believe in a both/and. He wants UNITY of believers AND truth. We just have to let go and trust HIM to do both as we walk in obedience.

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    1. AH! Hello Teresa! So good to hear from you again. How have you guys been doing recently? I graduate in 7 weeks and am moving to Australia with my family, so lots is happening these days in our neck of the woods. Please pray for us, we need it 

      I would like to respond to your comment but I am going to set a different foundation for discussion that I think you will appreciate. Rather than speaking about “truth” and “error” I am going to approach this from the angle of story. In case you haven’t noticed, I am a story lover, lol. This is why I refer to doctrine as “God-story”. But today I want to take that a step further and talk about Catholic-story and Adventist-story. I may mention some other stories along the way but these will form the foundation for my reply. Again, I am not suggesting that one is true and the other false. I am simply suggesting that they are different stories. I think you would agree. Then to end it I will reply to some of your more direct comments.

      In addition, I want to define unity so that we are on the same page. There are two types of unity, 1) basic unity and 2) absolute unity. Basic unity is the type of unity Christians have despite their disagreements. It calls for no compromise whatsoever and maintains denominational distinction. This kind of unity is a loving and respecting of the other. It is characterized by tolerance. Absolute unity is the kind of unity that demands some sort of compromise. It is the “doctrine doesn’t matter” unity that erases denominational distinction at worst and ignores it at best. This kind of unity ultimately results in intolerant behavior toward those who do not embrace it. The kind of unity I reject is absolute unity, not basic unity. Now that I have set the stage allow me to respond.

      The main challenge I see with this entire concept of unity lies in the rationality of story-telling. The Catholic-story, while in many ways similar to the Adventist-story is nevertheless very different. Because of the difference in the stories there is no rational way to believe in both. As you know a story contains plot, characters, conflicts and themes. Those are the basic blocks of a story. But on a deeper level a story also contains a worldview, a philosophy, moral, social, psychological and rational implications, a logical framework, and, in the case of religious stories, a demand for commitment and a reframing of life so that my personal story can be in harmony with this new found God-story. Those who believe in the Catholic-story must, of logical and moral necessity, pattern their lives in a way that their personal story is consistent with the Catholic story. Anything less is what would be referred to as heresy or hypocrisy. The same is true for the Adventist-story (or any other story).

      Now here is the thing. The Catholic-story and the Adventist-story differ, not simply on the basic fundamentals of a story but ultimately in the deeper levels. In other words, they present significant differences in their worldviews, philosophy, implications, logic, and demands. Therefore, in order for these two systems to be unified in the sense that Tony Palmer described in his speech to the Pentecostal Conference (which is absolute unity) would demand one of two possibilities, 1) an illogical union that ignores those differences or 2) an abandonment of one story for the sake of unity with the other story. Both of these options require a compromise. Since a large part of the Catholic-story is the infallibility of the church, there is no way that the Catholic-story is going to be re-written in order to blend with the Adventist story. This would demand an entire overhaul of the story which includes a new worldview, philosophy, implications, logic and demands. Catholicism would never do this and neither would Adventism or any other denomination. So the only solutions are 1) an illogical union or 2) an abandonment of a story. Ultimately, the only story that would be abandoned would be the non-Catholic one.

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    2. So try as we may, we cannot say that doctrine (God-story) doesn’t matter because ultimately it matters most. If it didn’t matter then the Catholic-story could easily be rewritten, but it is the Protestant-story that is being placed on the editors desk, not the Catholic-story. So as I said, in the end the type of unity that is being called for (absolute unity) demands either an illogical union or the abandonment of a story. Both of those options are compromise.

      Since I believe the Adventist-story then, how can I unite (absolute unity) with those who believe the Catholic-story? Its not possible without compromise on my part.

      However, this does not mean we cannot work together (basic unity). This does not mean we cannot be united in the sense that we love one another and work together for a good cause. I fully agree with your point on SDA’s developing their own ministries and civic unions instead of joining pre-existing ones. I think we have failed a lot in this area. We should join pre existing ministries instead of reinventing the wheel. We see this exemplified in the life of Ellen White who joined the Temperance Movement of her day and suggested that SDA’s should enlist their best pastors in joining the same movement. The movement was run by non-SDA’s not Adventists, yet Ellen saw no need to create an SDA version. She simply joined the one already there. So I fully agree with your point there.

      However, there is a flip side to the story and it is this: Because Adventist have been so maligned throughout the decades (by both members and critics) its hard for many of us who want to join other protestants in basic unity to do so. I for example, would love to join other protestants and have wanted to for a while but I am always afraid of what will happen when they find out I am Adventist. This is the main reason why I hold back on that.

      I also want to take the time to restate the idea that we won’t be unified until the second coming. You are absolutely correct when you say that unity will happen before then. I spoke (or typed) too soon when I said that. The reality is, I too believe in a pre-Advent unity. As Adventists we refer to that unified church as the remnant church. The remnant will be comprised of all who truly believe and love Christ. It is not visible now, but it will be near the end of time. So yes, you are right, there will be a unified church on earth before Jesus returns. The question then is, will that unified church be one that tells the Catholic-story? Or will it be one that tells the Adventist-story? Or will it tell another story all together? That’s a whole other topic I wont get into here, but I think you can see why, even though I embrace basic unity, I cannot and will not ever embrace absolute unity.

      Blessings,

      Marcos

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  5. You say tomato i say tomato… You say a stake I say a cross… You say am not saved I say am saved…

    Then you wonder why so many people have an issue with religious organizations based on traditions and justification that diminish the actual biblical message by twisting it all around to conform within the organization way of life.

    I still don’t understand why people confused Moses Laws with God’s Ten Commandment Laws, and think we are under 9 Laws when both Laws are very different. It’s amazing how they are trapped in the old gospel for the Jews and not the new gospel of Paul for the nation (Jews and Genitals)…

    The Sabbath(s) is biblical Saturday not Sunday. There is no biblical data that it was moved to Sunday other than it was demolished "nailed to the cross."

    The Questions is what Sabbath(s) was demolished? The Ten Commandment Sabbath "the Royal law" or Moses Sabbaths "Law contained in ordinances" for the Jews and not the nation. In Ephesians “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;”...

    So what about Ten Commandment Sabbath? While the commandment says “remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” the key word is “remember” not “thou shalt” or “Honor they” as all other laws says. If I tell my Son “remember” to mow the yard, but when I get home guess what? He forgot to mow the yard…

    It’s a matter of ones own conscience on how he “remembers” and “keeps it holy” in today’s modern world within his own personal relationship with the Lord thy God and not base on an organizations traditions…

    My God Bless you all with the Holy Sprit….

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  6. It is one of the best article I came across. Thank you Marcos. We don't hear these things from our pastors. They don't want to offend anyone, which means union with others who teach error. I praise God for your stand on the word of God and God will use you in a mighty way. Listen to the testimony of Shahbaz, "From Muslim to Adventism". A powerful testimony of God's undying love for His lost children. Share this with others. God will find His lost children, if we don't find them. It is the greatest joy in the world to share the love of Jesus and the Sabbath to everyone we can. May God bless us all to stand with Jesus and His Sabbath truth, regardless of the consequences. God gave up everything to save us. I can never ever understand the depth of God's love for His Children!

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