Ellen G. White and Conspiracy Narratives

I recently shared an article titled The End Times and Conspiracy Narratives. In it I shared some thoughts regarding the relationship between Christians in general and the ever increasing popularity of conspiracy narratives. In this post, I would like to focus more on Seventh-day Adventists and their relationship to conspiracy narratives/theories by sharing some thoughts from the life of church co-founder and prophetess Ellen G. White.

The first thing to point out is that Ellen White didn’t really deal with the issue of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories, while growing in her day, where not as widespread as they are today. However, she certainly lived in a time when indulgence in conspiracy theories was growing. The Illuminati and Free Masons were already on the scene, and strange narratives regarding their agenda, power, and political control were spreading. In an article in Publiceye.org titled “The Illuminati Freemason Conspiracy” the author states that “[t]he idea of a widespread freemason conspiracy originated in the late 1700's and flourished in the US in the 1800's.”[i] Nevertheless, Ellen White herself never engaged in such activity. 

For example, the Illuminati was founded in 1776, just fifty-one years before Ellen White was born. If knowledge of the Illuminati and their inner workings were necessary then apparently God didn’t see fit to tell Ellen White about it. In all of her writings there is not one syllable devoted to the Illuminati. The Free Masons were also born late in the 16th or early 17th century. During Ellen Whites day, Free Mason conspiracy theories abounded. Yet once again, Ellen Whites writings are void of such conspiracy theories.

Ellen White did talk about the Free Masons. Nevertheless, when dealing with the Free Masons it’s important to note what she said and what she didn’t say. Ellen White counseled, under Gods direction, that Christians stay away from the Free Mason society for practical and obvious reasons. She even worked personally with an Adventist who was involved in the fraternity and God gave her special knowledge of their inner workings in order to impress upon the mind of this man that he was indeed speaking through her. However, not only did Ellen White never go on to share the inside knowledge God gave her in any of her work, but even the reasons she gave in opposition to joining the fraternity were simply practical and void of any promulgation of conspiracy narratives.

So far we have seen that Ellen White, though certainly having had opportunities, never engaged in conspiracy theory talk. This should in and of itself cause those of us who value her prophetic example and are nevertheless fascinated with such things to wonder if perhaps we are wasting our time with pointless investigations. However, I would also like to point out some quotations from Ellen White (with personal comments in brackets) that give us principles to keep in mind when dealing with this issue.

“We need far less controversy [a characteristic of conspiracy theories], and far more presentation of Christ. Our Redeemer is the center of all our faith and hope” (EV, 172).

“Our work is not to make a raid on the Government but to prepare a people to stand in the great day of the Lord. The fewer attacks we make on authorities and powers, the more work will we do for God....[Conspiracy theories do exactly what we are told not to do in this quote] Do all in your power to reflect the light, but do not speak words that will irritate or provoke” (EV, 173).

“You should have a clear apprehension of the gospel. The religious life is not one of gloom and of sadness but of peace and joy coupled with Christlike dignity and holy solemnity [Those fascinated with conspiracy theories often exemplify a doom and gloom version of Christianity and not the peace and joy that should be had]. We are not encouraged by our Saviour to cherish doubts and fears and distressing forebodings; these bring no relief to the soul and should be rebuked rather than praised [Conspiracy theories nourish doubts, fears, and distressing forebodings. Rather than praise these things by our focus on them we should rebuke them by ignoring them]. We may have joy unspeakable and full of glory. Let us put away our indolence and study God’s Word more constantly” (EV, 180).

“I have been shown that it is the device of the enemy to divert men’s minds to some obscure or unimportant point, something that is not fully revealed or is not essential to salvation [a classic description of conspiracy theories]. This is made the absorbing theme, the “present truth,” when all the investigations and suppositions only serve to make matters more obscure and to confuse the minds of some who ought to be seeking for oneness through sanctification of the truth” (EV, 182).

“A noble, devoted, spiritual worker will see in the great testing truths that constitute the solemn message to be given to the world, sufficient reason for keeping all minor differences concealed, rather than to bring them forth to become subjects of contention. Let the mind dwell upon the great work of redemption, the soon coming of Christ, and the commandments of God; and it will be found that there is enough food for thought in these subjects to take up the entire attention [If we spent more time getting to know Jesus we wouldn’t have time for speculations. Conspiracy theorists often have much knowledge of many things but they are lacking in the preciousness of Jesus. Rather than allure they repel those around them]” (EV, 183).

“Satan is pleased when we magnify his power [This is the nature of conspiracy theories]. Why not talk of Jesus? Why not magnify His power and His love” (MHH, 43)?

While these statements may not be directly dealing with the issue of conspiracy theories I don’t see how one can engage in entertaining such things without violating the principles they advocate. With this in mind, it is clear that Ellen White did not see conspiracy theorizing as a necessary element of preparing for last day deceptions.

However, Ellen White is not our example – Jesus Christ is. In Jesus we find our pattern, one that focused on showing mercy, love, and empathy to the suffering and whom wasted no time engaging in such fruitless things as conspiracy narratives. Ellen White wrote,

Millions upon millions of human beings, in sickness and ignorance and sin, have never so much as heard of Christ’s love for them. If our condition and theirs were to be reversed, what would we want them to do for us? All this, so far as lies in our power, we are to do for them. Christ’s rule of life by which every one of us must stand or fall in the judgment is, “‘Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them.’” Matthew 7:12[ii]

In conclusion I ask, what would you want a Christian to do for you if you were lost? Would you want him/her to share with you how the shirt you are wearing has masonic symbols, a DVD on how the Bush administration plotted 911, or how the music you like has satanic lyrics recorded backwards? Or would you like her to tell you of Jesus love for you? What would you want him to say? When your heart is bleeding, when your debt is overwhelming, when your marriage is ending, when your guilt is so strong its crushing you, sitting there in your living room with your world falling to pieces around you – what would you want to hear? I don’t know about you, but I would want to hear that there is a Savior who “regards with infinite tenderness the souls whom He has purchased with His own blood. They are the claim of His love. He looks upon them with unutterable longing.”[iii] I would want to know that there is one whose name is Jesus who can save the worst of the worst. When my heart is broken, speak to me of His love! When sin has me bound in iron chains, tell me of His power! When I am lost, nowhere left to go, talk to me of the “One who can calm the raging seas, give sight to the blind, pull the lame up to their feet”.[iv] Tell me “God loves you Marcos," "[w]ith a love so strong he'll never let you go... you [are] not alone”.[v]

Seventh-day Adventist, I appeal to you – speak of Jesus. Tell of His love. Tell of His grace. Tell of His power. Tell of His soon return! Talk of how He longs for us to be with Him. Talk of how He can save the worst of sinners. Let Him be your theme and song. Let Him be your every breath. If you and I would do this, if we would choose daily to lift Him up we would never go wrong. Never.

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[i] http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html
[ii] White, Ellen G. The Ministry of Health and Healing, p 48.
[iii] ibid, p 20.
[iv] Wickham, Phil. Safe. http://www.elyricsworld.com/safe_lyrics_phil_wickham.html
[v] ibid.

30 comments:

  1. Just read a comment you left on another blog I follow so I thought I'd pay you another visit. I've been following you for some time now and would like to extend to you an invitation to follow me in return.

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  2. Hello,
    I came across to your blog after reading your comment on Christian with a view. On reading your profile I notice that you did not include the Bible as one of your favourite books. I just wondered, was there a reason for this?

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  3. Hi Brenda!

    Wow, thank you so much for pointing that out! I honestly have no idea why I didn't include it in the list. Maybe I felt it was obvious? However, the Bible is definitely my favorite book above all others. Again, thanks so much for pointing that out, I will change it right away! :)

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  4. Ah,
    I didn't want to be cheekey but I was just curious. I thought you might not have realized and, judging by your comment on A Christian View I thought the Bible had to be very much in your life. God bless

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  5. Actually, Ellen White did spend time with conspiracy. The Great Controversy is a story of the conspiracy of Satan against Jesus Christ. In addition, all of what she talks about regarding the RCC is now considered historical fact but would have certainly been considered conspiracy in its time. For example, Martin Luther had to come to grips with the conspiracy against Jesus Christ and His people by the RCC to do what he did.

    Yet I agree with you an many levels. The thing about conspiracy theories popular today is that a load of garbage comes with only a kernel of truth and it is very difficult to ascertain what that kernel of truth is. Most of all, the details (such as who killed Kennedy and was Bush really in Dallas that day) are irrelevant to fact that there is a satanic conspiracy against Jesus and His church. This conspiracy will culminate in a time of trouble for His people from which He will save us. All these facts of our faith in Christ are laid out clearly in His Word.

    There is another level to all this which is the realization of the breadth and depth of the conspiracy again God and His people that is coming into view in these last days via all these "conspiracies". It is dizzying and, honestly, scary! I think EGW said in her time that if we knew the extent to which the forces of evil plotted against the church and us we would be immobilized with fear (not a word for word quote but this is the gist as I recall). I would concur. If only 1% of what is written on this subject is true then it is terrifying. What little I know suggests a vast network operating throughout the world and throughout time to fight against Jesus Christ and those loyal to Him. While they are not as organized, brilliant and all-knowing at they would like people to believe, they do appear to be ruthless, cruel and filled with hatred against Jesus and His message of love, hope and self-sacrifice.

    We have hope in Jesus and the assurance of salvation from our own sinful condition and from the conspiracy of hatred against our Lord.

    Praise the Lord Jesus Christ. David said it the best,

    1 Why do the nations conspire[a]
    and the peoples plot in vain?
    2 The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
    3 “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles.”
    4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
    5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    6 “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”
    7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

    He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.
    8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession.
    9 You will break them with a rod of iron[b];
    you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
    10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
    be warned, you rulers of the earth.
    11 Serve the Lord with fear
    and celebrate his rule with trembling.
    12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
    and your way will lead to your destruction,
    for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

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    1. Good points Anonymous. Thanks for sharing!

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  6. Ignorance comes from ignoring, and God does not want us to be ignorant and "in darkness" (1 Thessalonians 5:1-10).

    This is very true. So Seventh-day Adventists need to stop obsessing about their most exalted conspiracy theory and learn to question and consider other interpretations.
    http://everythingimportant.org

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  7. Marcos, I can understand your need for caution but I really do not think that it is fair to say that if one delves into conspiracy theories, it means that they are not uplifting Jesus. Jesus is the one who told his disciples "O fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken" when he met with the disciples on the way to Emmaus and they had NO understanding of the prophecies. Then Sis White in one of the Testimonies, I cannot exactly remember which one, tells us clearly that Secret Societies will play a major part in endtime events. I saw that quote for myself. That is a prophecy which we should take seriously. I think that Professor Walter Veith perhaps has more knowledge of the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy than most people, that is why he has the understanding that he has, so that he can prepare God's people to Praise Jesus for helping His people not to be ignorant of the enemy's devices. I find that like good SDAs, we do not always like to focus on all the truth that God has presented to us but we like some more than others and in that way we miss out on all that God wants to share with us. We are in a Great Controversy and Praise God that God's people will come out victorious in the end and he has told us in advance what will happen so that we would not be deceived. Otherwise why read the prophecies as shared in the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy and I see that that is what Walter Veith does, so give him a break, OK? Thanks my pastor.

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    1. Thank you for your comment! I would like to reply by first of all acknowleding your passion for prophecy. I am a believer in preaching the prophetic messages of Daniel and Revelation. However, there is a difference between preaching prophecy and promoting conspiracy theories. I explore that question more in the two articles linked below.

      For the moment, suffice to say that prophecy and conspiracy theories are indeed different. One is a revelation from God and the other is the result of humans going beyond what God has revealed. Ellen White did mention the work of secret societies, but isnt it interesting that she never mentioned anything else about them? Not once did Ellen White tie an exploration of secret societies to prophetic revelation. Apart from warning her contemporaries to stay away from these societies she never went into any of the details and research that conspiracy proponents go into. I believe this is because we need to focus on what God has shared and avoid going into things he has not shared. Again, this is explored more in the articles I have linked below.

      Lastly, regarding Walter Veith - I affirm his intelligence and passion for God. I believe him to be a man of God whose only desire is to prepare the world for the coming of Jesus. While I disagree with his focus on conspiracy theories I hope to never come across as hostile against him. God forbid! Instead, I pray that through his efforts many who are lost will come to Christ. And while I de maintain that conspiracy theories are dangerous to our spiritual walk I also maintain that we must all be "fully convinced in our own minds" (to quote from Paul). Blessings!

      http://www.pomopastor.com/2013/01/christians-conspiracy-theories.html

      http://www.pomopastor.com/2013/02/therefore-keep-watch-watching-signs-vs.html

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  8. Thanks Pastor for your gracious response. Before posting my comment, I had already read both of your blogs that you have sent to me. I feel for Pastor Veith because I think that I think like him and he has got it very rough since he became an SDA and has been sharing his discoveries. Many people in senior positions have given him grief about his presentations. So I think that it may be wiser not to even mention his name in any negative light when you are discussing your viewpoint on the matter. He has undergone enough pressure already, especially when he is sharing with others, what he is sure that God has laid on his heart, by the Holy Spirit. I do not agree with your viewpoint on the matter, Pastor, sorry to say and we will have to agree to disagree. Dan 12: 10 tell us in part " but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand but the wise shall understand". That is what your socalled conspiracy theories do for some of us and should also do, for the rest of the brethren. They help us to understand the wickedness of the wicked, according to the Scriptures. When E.G.White in the Testimonies tells the church that Secret Societies shall play a part in End Time Movements, what does she want us to do with that knowledge, pastor? Please tell me. Then also remember that as we come closer to the end of time that we can better understand the prophecies. We are told so in the book of Daniel. You must admit that and that is all that I see that Pastor Veith's discoveries are helping us to do. If you do not want to study about these matters further, that is your choice but please do not try to discourage others from doing so. Please, Pastor, I beg of you. God wants us to be steps ahead of the enemy. Please leave us to follow His leading. Pastor Veith's discoveries help me appreciate Jesus more and get closer to Him. Thanks for your kind consideration and understanding.

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  9. Pastor, please do not consider me a pest. I just want to comment on this text from Revelation 18 : 7 "How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow." Doesn't this text give sanction to exposing the pope for what he truly represents? Contrary to what you promoted in one of your blogs. Am I misunderstanding the text here or are you not too familiar with this text? Thanks pastor for your assistance here.

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  10. Your stance has been quite disturbing to me and has been playing on my mind over the days, as you quoted some passages from E.G. White but leave others unquoted and that is confusing to me. What does Ellen G. White mean when she says in The Great Controversy in the chapter "The French Reformation" that " At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery......................There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the reeastablishment of the papal supremacy." ?

    When I read passages like the above, I see the need to unmask the enemy. Then let us read Dan 8:23 and 25 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up". What do the Scriptures mean by "dark sentences"? How does one decipher these and unmask them? Verse 25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand.........and by peace shall destroy many....". How does one discover what that "craft that is prospering" and how the "peace that shall destroy many", my pastor? Doesn't the Holy Spirit have to reveal the means whereby by unmasking the enemy as the Scriptures say, that "we are not ignorant of his devices"? So if I choose, because of the leading of the Spirit to reveal what is little known to humankind, is it fair to call the discoveries under the leading of God, "conspiracy theories"? Is it, my pastor? To me, you are actually interpreting Sis White's words as you best see fit and I think that you should also allow Pastor Veith to do the same. He has a scientific mind, is a sincere follower of Jesus and the Holy Scriptures, has accepted the Three Angels' Messages with all his heart, soul and strength and words like those that I have just quoted to you give me the indication that the enemy needs to be unmasked. Have you discussed your viewpoint, by the way, with Pastor Veith? If not, don't you think that you should do so? Remember that you are a shepherd of the flock and your words carry much weight. And if people do not study for themselves, they can be carried away by your presentations. So I am begging you to please be careful and present the complete picture of God's Word and the Spirit of Prophecy and not what seems to me, to be your pet views. Thank you for your kind consideration and understanding.

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    1. I agree that we may have to simply agree to disagree friend. But do allow me to answer some of your questions. As I mentioned in my first article, if conspiracy theories bring you closer to Jesus then dont stop. But the majority of folks I know, myself included, do not actually grow closer to Jesus via conspiracy theories - we only feel like we do. When i was into these things my spiritual life suffered. I have since learned that a focus on evil makes no one like Jesus. To the contrary it derails the process of sanctification, our relationship with others, and our witness to the world. However, please understand that when I refer to these things I am referring to them as obsessions. I fully believe that secret societies will play a role in final events including the jesuits and perhaps others that we do not even know exist. All you and I tend to know are the secret societies of the western world, but I am willing to bet there are countless others in the eastern and Mediterranean world. They will most certainly play a role in end time events, but I do not see any value in obsessing over them. To the contrary, I see grave danger. The problem with conspiracy theories is they go beyond what scripture reveals and take the student into an imbalanced apocalyptic narrative where end time events become an exploration of secret societies, Satanic plots, and hidden agendas. Nowhere do we see this kind of activity in scripture or the writings of EGW. While she was familiar with the world in which she lived the constant theme of her writings was the love of God and the matchless charms of Christ not the work of the devil. What I recommend here is that we find a balance. Some people are so far on one side that they want nothing to do with prophecy at all. For them any mention of the little horn, the beast, the antichrist etc. amounts to conspiracy theorizing. I disagree. If its in the Bible it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a divine revelation and I gladly and unapologetically explore and share those things. But others want to go beyond scripture. They want to dive deep into the mire of Satans schemes. This often results in an obsession that damages the person both spiritually and socially. Their spiritual life declines all the while feeling it is improving and they become paranoid, suspicious, and irritating to people around them. My objective is to ecnourage Jesus-followers to avoid both of those ditches. Lets be wise, knowing the times in which we live, and our minds guarded with the truth so that we wont be dupped by the enemy. But likewise, we must remember that our greatest defense is to focus on Jesus and his work on the cross. It is this that Satan wars against and if we are solid in this truth we cannot be moved. With relation to Revelation 18:7 I agree that this text (and all of Daniel/ Revelation) give us a prophetic narrative that we are to share with the world. A major player in this narrative is the office of the papacy which we should certainly warn the world about. What i suggested in the other article is that we avoid pointed and harsh words against a particular man (pope) and instead place our focus where Daniel and Revelation place it (the office of the papacy). So in summary, I am not saying we should ignore prophecy, all I am saying is we should avoid becoming obsessed with the work of the enemy and instead remember that the prophetic gift is the testimony of Jesus. Allen Roech wrote an excellent little book that covers this topic in better detail. I discuss the book in this post: http://www.pomopastor.com/2013/04/is-new-world-order-theory-part-of.html

      Blessings!

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  11. Ah, Pastor, thank you for your latest response. I quite understand how you consider that you were led astray by an obssession with what you call "conspiracy theories". That has not been my experience, thank God. Seeing the revelations that unmask the enemy, help me to run to Jesus. Praise Him!!! I cannot say that I was or am obssessed with them either. Currently I am studying with a small group, where some of us, use Pastor Veith's Total Onslaught presentations as a resource. Yesterday, we learnt from one of the members of the group that she got baptised in one of our SDA Churches on sabbath. You know what our focus was yesterday at our Bible Study? That we need to become more like Jesus, that we need to send our sins into judgement before Jesus puts down the censer, as probation is soon to close. That there is to be nothing between our souls and the Saviour, so that we can more fully reflect His image, such that when He comes again, we shall be like Him for we shall see Him like He is. So, Pastor my experience is not the same as yours, although I absolutely understand the need for balance but there is always need to obey all the commandments of God as Noah did before the flood came. Listen to this quote from 1Chron 12:32 " And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do, the heads of them were two hundred and all their brethren were at their commandment. We see here the Bible telling us that some members will understand what is happening presently, to share with the rest of the church and that the church needs to take heed. Don't you see that guidance in that text?

    "Eph 6:12, 13; which I came across again today, providentially, in my devotions, tells us "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and having done all to stand". These texts tell me that we have to be very aware of the machinations of the enemy but let Jesus fight our battles for us against them.

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  12. Pastor, you may think that I am joking but I also found this other quotation from the Great Controversy in my devotions this morning. I did not look for it at all but I am rereading that book and that was the point where I arrived at today. Guidance of the Holy Spirit, won't you say? From the Chapter on "Enmity between man and Satan" we are told " Why are the soldiers of Christ so sleepy and indifferent? Because they have so little connection with Christ, because they are so destitute of His spirit" Contrary to what you say about not knowing and studying Satan's artifices, here is what Sister White says. ............"They do not realise the exceeding evil and malignity of sin and they are blinded both to the character and power of the prince of darkness". Check these strong words, Pastor? "There is little enmity against Satan and his works because there is so great ignorance concerning his power and his malice and the vast extent of his warfare against Christ and His church." Pastor, if Sis White says that there is so great IGNORANCE, it stands to reason that God's people should have more knowledge, right? About Satan's power and malice and the vast extent of his warfare against Christ and his church, no? She goes on to say ".........
    Among professed christians and even among ministers of the gospel (and I pray God that you are not one of these), there is heard scarcely a reference to Satan, except perhaps an incidental mention in the pulpit." Please note these following lines, pastor. "They overlook the evidences of his continual activity and success; they neglect the many warnings of his subtlety; (conspiracy theories, you call it, pastor); they seem to ignore his very existence. (Which I am sure that you do not do, Pastor). Sorry Pastor, I do not know what you were doing wrong, when you allowed yourself to be carried away by what you deem conspiracy theories, such that your spirituality dwindled but Sis White here is strongly advocating knowledge of the subtle workings of the enemy and sharing it with the brethren, so that they run to Jesus to protect and cover them. That is where the balance comes in. That is what you and I must do to get victory over the enemy in Jesus. Pastor, I rest my case!!! LOL Pastor doesn't God love you and me so much, that He gave us such clear presentations from His word and the Spirit of Prophecy on the matter, today? Oh how I love Jesus!!!

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  13. Pastor, you make mention that Secret Societies may not only come from the Western World but if the Jesuits began in Europe, is that the Western world? And Pastor, I have always understood that when others are looking to the east for signs of the end, that the kicker will come from the west as revealed in the Scriptures. Pastor as I said in my previous posts, we need to examine ALL Sis White's revelations and the Holy Scriptures, to get the true picture and the balance, meanwhile always focusing on Jesus, who is altogether lovely. And I absolutely agree with the need for balance. Thanks for the information on the testimony of Jesus.

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    1. Just read the Bible..."sis" White would be happier if you did

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  14. Balance, pastor, as presented by Sis White, is as follows: "All who are actively engaged in the cause of God, seeking to unveil the deceptions of the evil one and to present Christ before the people..............." You note here that she promotes unveiling the deceptions of the evil one and that can be interpreted as the Holy Spirit leads, on the one hand, while at the same time presenting Christ before the people, on the other hand. That is what most of us try to do, Pastor. That creates and produces the balance that you promote. The balance that is necessary. We need to unmask the enemy, Sis White clearly promotes that and point the people to Jesus at the same time. That understanding again came to me today during my devotions, while finishing the chapter on "Enmity between man and Satan" in "The Great Controversy". Nice talking to you. You helped me get it very clear from the inspired writings of Sis White and the Holy Scriptures.

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  15. Pastor, I am just observing that I made a particular observation that Rev 18:6,7 actually asks God's people to take a particular stance against the papacy, which you did not really address, claiming it is speaking about a system and not an individual. But Pastor is that a wise rendering of the text? Doesn't the Pope represent the papacy? I really love Jesus and I am sure that you do and you must admit that this particular Pope does a great job of taking attention away from our Loving Saviour Jesus Christ. In Rev 19:10 we are told "And I fell at his feet to worship him, and he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus". We are not supposed to take the worship due to Jesus and God. This Pope when he was in America, received all the adulation and worship that is due to Jesus. He never once said " Do not worship me for I am thy fellow servant.". Not ONCE, pastor. I followed the visit to the USA very carefully. He even had the CNN media all gooey eyed about him, some even saying that he was just like Jesus. Now I consider that to be nothing less than abomination and you want us to keep quiet about such a stance, Pastor, when he could have used that opportunity and given all the glory to Jesus, pointing people to HIM. So there are times when the individual in the role must be taken to task as well as the system!!!!

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  16. Pastor, as I continued reading the Great Controversy, in my devotions, I came across the following passage below and found it rather instructive. Interestingly enough, I observe that Sis White has devoted at least six chapters to Satan's devices in that book namely Chapters 29 to 35, that is six out of forty two chapters or more than 14%. So I think that one needs to understand exactly what she means when she writes because in the Chapter "Snares of Satan" she wrote "There has ever been a class professing godliness, who instead of following on to know the truth, make it their religion to seek some fault of character or error of faith in THOSE WITH WHOM THEY DO NOT AGREE. Such are Satan's right hand helpers (her words not mine). Accusers of the brethren are not few and they are always active when God is at work and His servants are rendering Him true homage. They will put a false covering upon the words and acts of those who love and obey the truth. They will represent the most earnest, zealous, self denying servants of Christ as deceived or deceivers. .................." I am sorry, my Pastor but I read somewhere on your page in a comment, where someone said that Pastor Walter Veith does more harm than good and I take strong exception to that statement. As I have said before, let us read all the admonition of the servant of the Lord and weigh and balance all of it by the Holy Spirit of God.

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  17. ligriv, my thoughts on the matter have been made quite clear in the articles I posted and the comments we have shared. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to entertain the subject any further. If you wish to disagree there is freedom to do so. May God continue to bless us both as together we work to prepare the world for the soon return of Jesus.

    Blessings!

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  18. I understand your submission, Pastor and encourage all of us to study to shew ourselves approved unto God, workmen that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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  19. We must all realize something here and that is there is a difference between spouting out facts about the evil workings of Satan and conspiracy theories. The key here my friend is that theories are not true they are pure speculation. What Walter Veith does is bring out the facts based on the enemies material.The world is now engulf in theories. For example what is evolution? It's just a theory it is not fact. This theory is causing many to believe that there is no God or Son of God. It has be thinking that God did not create the world in 6 literal days and rested on the 7th Day. It has people believing that since there is Creator God then there was no Son of God. Many evolutionist believe that the Son of God didn't come in the flesh. What does the Bible say about those that believe this? 1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist... When people deny that Jesus is the Christ and came in the flesh they have the spirit of the antichrist. When they teach mean their doctrine that denies Jesus as the Christ and has come in the flesh what they are teaching is doctrines of the devil.
    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Did you catch some shall depart from the faith. What is the Christian faith built up on? Is it not Christ coming in the flesh and is the Son of God?If you read prophecy we all will realize what come out of the mouth of all the Beast powers or Kingdoms. For example the "little horn" power is spoke great words against the Most High God and sought to change His times and laws.

    Many Christians Pastors that are Freemasons speak this way or out of both sides of their mouth and their members do the same. I'm sure many of you have heard them say the law was done away with. They say we don't have to keep the Ten Commandments.They say all we have to do is love.
    Yet, they miss the scripture that Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.

    They try to justify their stance by saying the Law of God the Ten Commandments can't save you. They are correct, but if Jesus says if you love me keep them he is saying do it out of love for Him and humanity. Notice Adam and Eve had freedom,protection and no shame when they obey God. But, when they obey God's command there world fell about so it is with us. We must exposed the devil activities, but we must also show and teach the love of God.

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  20. The doctrines of the devils are taring this society apart, along with these erroneous theories. We must warn our people. The two-horn like a Lamb Beast will speak against God. The dragon, The Beast and the False Prophet will speak against God. She is already doing it. We must speak out against what they are saying in regards to scripture. Look at Rev 16:13,14 here we see three powers and something coming out of their mouth. The bible says this.

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    It says that it is spirits of devils that are coming out of their mouth. What is the devil? Is he not a demon? The word spirit could mean breath, words, character, the innermost nonphysical part of a person. What the text lets us know is that


    The dragon - Neo Pagan Rome (UN) - Teaching is Paganism
    The Beast - Papal Rome - teaching is Roman Catholicism
    The False Prophet - America - Apostate Protestantism Christianity

    All of these power have become demon possessed and corrupt and work miracles with their teachings or doctrines that deceive the world. They deceive people to battle against God. Evolution has been making inroads to the minds to do this for years. All false religions promote the first lie "ye shall be as gods". What Satan is really saying is ye shall be like me a serpent,a devil,a rebel murderer and a dedicated practicing sinner that tell lies. He saying to all of humanity you need my image stamped on you not God's image. This needs to be exposed.

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  21. Willbfree1 thank you so much for understanding where I was writing from and for endorsing what the scriptures say. We need to be bold to declare God's truth today because many are obscuring God's truth in the name of Jesus. Lord have mercy!

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  22. Willbfree1, thank you for your comment! I am not certain how many times I have to clarify what I am espousing in this and other articles as it is clear in both the articles and in my clarifying comments below. But I will make one final attempt and leave it there.

    What I am NOT saying
    1. I am not saying that everything in this world is good and dandy and that all is peace
    2. I am not saying that there are no deceptions that we need to warn others about
    3. I am not saying that we should abandon our prophetic heritage as a movement and warn people about the beast, the false prophet, or the little horn
    4. I am certainly NOT saying that the revelations of apocalyptic prophecy are akin to conspiracy theorizing

    What I AM saying
    1. We need to focus our energy on what the Bible has revealed and proclaim that to the world
    2. We need to reject the temptation to become distracted by focusing altogether too much on the world of evil to the point that we spread paranoia and fear as opposed to grace and love
    3. We need to avoid all conspiracy theories and conspiracy narratives regardless of whether they are true or not. The point is not whether the theory is a fact or just a theory. The point is that, whether fact or not, such things distract us from the truth as it is in Jesus and lead us down a path of spiritual darkness
    4. We need to proclaim the warning message in scripture and avoid venturing where scripture does not venture. Warning the world about the deceptions of the papacy are one thing. Taking an entire seminar to focus almost entirely on the freemasons, their logos, imagery, and supposed influence in society is a waste of time and neither scripture nor EGW ever go there. It is OK to be aware that our world is heading down a path of destructions and that yes, secret societies play a role in such things, but to then become obsessed with these things and preach about them is a Satanic distraction.

    At the end of the day, even if you proved to me that every conspiracy theory out there is true I will have gained nothing. All these theories and narratives do is tell me what I already know: that there are evil people, in an evil world, who do evil things, to get their evil way. I already know that and spending hours brooding over who caused 911 is only going to tell me what I already know. But what I dont know is what it is like to have a heart like Christs. I was born in sin and am selfish to the core and if I am going to invest my time in anything it is in the journey of attaining a Christlike character. Thats what i desire more than anything and I know from both personal experience (I used to be very into conspiracies) and from observing those who are into these things that they do not help, in the least bit, toward the goal of attaining a Christlike character. To the contrary they distract, breed insecurity, suspicion, and fear and that is not what the life with Christ ought to be like.

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  23. Sorry, Marcos, I found this in my Bible study:

    Modern Day prophet(ess)? There is a Very Simple Solution, found In The Perfect and PURE Word of God, The Bible, Prayerfully and Carefully studied?:

    “...Though I have THE GIFT OF PROPHECY, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”

    Is this gift still in “effect” today? What saith The Perfect Scriptures?

    “...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others)...Charity never faileth“

    “BUT whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we PROPHESY IN PART.”

    What? The Prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not the Prophecy “experts”?

    Or, one could ask, when?

    At the “end of time” when there are “no more” to be fulfilled?

    At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect”
    But, with still “more” remaining to be fulfilled?

    Then, what does this mean?

    “BUT when That Which Is Perfect Is COME, then that which
    is IN PART SHALL BE DONE AWAY.” (1Co 13:1-10 AV)

    Has not That Which IS PERFECT COME ?

    IF so, THEN “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased, the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished,

    AND the “gift of prophecy” has failed!

    If so, where does This Truth leave Ellen White and SDA?

    Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

    Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil [COMPLETE] The Word of God (PERFECT?).

    If “That (neuter gender) Which is PERFECT is Not The PERFECT CHRIST (Masculine Gender), Then Is This not The Only Other Choice?:

    The PURE and PERFECT Written Word of God, HOLY Scriptures?


    Sincerely yours and Eternally Secure in HIM!

    Saint Christopher
    ya'll know where to find me:
    endrizzi.chris@gmail.com
    (2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25;
    Ephesians 1:3-9 = Grace, today?)
    PS. Serving God sure don't pay much, but The Retirement Benefits are Out Of This World :)

    GRACE through FAITH, found in SCRIPTURE, to The GLORY Of GOD, Through The LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST Amen.

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  24. Hi, I understand that is important to know about the deceives that exist today (in music, food industry, games, movies, etc...)
    But I agree that this is not our focus! The only way to get out of this things is talking about Jesus love and the comming of His kingdom. we can´t forget about the three angels messages.
    - First we talk about the hope of Jesus comming and His love.
    - Second we talk about the great lie that exist in the false religion.
    - Third we talk about avoiding the things that belong to the beast and living the willing of God
    (sorry if I mistake something, my english is not so good)

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  25. http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-will-you-do-when-the-end-comes

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